Gloria Calhoun - Harvesting Scholars Educational Consulting

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Welcome to the show. Today I have the pleasure of chatting with an educational community pillar. She is the founder of harvesting scholars, LLC. And scholars to leaders incorporated. She is known and sought after for her expertise in helping individuals to navigate the maze of education from cradle to career. As the author of Reap a harvest. Helpful tips for aspiring college students. She has received numerous awards and recognition for her work with harvesting scholars and has assisted dozens of students and individuals with achieving their educational and career goals. She does it all because the process of finding the right college school or program for your child is one of the most important decisions your family will make.

Dex: 0:51

And welcome to the show, Gloria Calhoun. How are you today?

Gloria: 0:55

I'm doing great.

Dex: 0:56

Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. So, you know, I just finished espousing about you. I hope I got everything right real quick. Tell us about you. Anything that I may have missed.

Gloria: 1:08

Well, I'm Gloria Calhoun. I have. Been working with college admissions and helping students navigate college. The admissions journey and process since 2015. So I'm the founder and executive director lead consultant for Harvesting Scholars Educational Consulting. my specialty is helping students find the right fit, the right fit of college, right. And fit a school or program that is going to help them to get on the right path for whatever their goals.

Dex: 1:41

And where were you when I was in. high school I'm kidding.

Gloria: 1:46

You know what I asked myself, I asked myself that and I'm like, okay, where was the me when I needed a me?

Dex: 1:53

Yeah.

Gloria: 1:54

So, you know, we have our, our counselors. And one of the things that I do, I always refer students to their counselors, get to know your counselors. And a lot of times they are very intimidated by that, but I always encourage them go to the. Let them know, Hey, I'm here. I want to go to college and they will help you. But what I do, I am that extra set of hands in the community. When you can't get to that counselor, if you're late at night, you're like, I'm trying to figure this out. Ms. Glow, texting email. I am here to answer those questions, helping to navigate that entire process.

Dex: 2:28

Awesome. So what brought you to this process altogether? Was it just because you you're filling a hole that you lacked yourself?

Gloria: 2:40

Actually I started this because when my niece and my son, so they're the same age when they were preparing to transition into ninth grade. They were still in middle school, but I was at extra mama that always, I need to know what's going on. I want to make sure that I'm prepared and have all the things that I needed for them. And those supports were not there. I was searching for resources, searching for information, just to make sure that we were on the right track for my son was a. Was really good in basketball. And he's like, okay, I want to make sure I want him to get a athletic scholarship. What do we need to do? My niece was interested in being a social worker. What does she need to do to prepare? And those resources were not here in my community. So I started taking them and their friends and kids from my church to Atlanta and all these different places to expose them to things that they didn't see here in the community. And I just basically decided I'm going to fill that gap, for my kids, which. Causing other, or causing other families to say, Hey, I'm going to go ask Ms. Gloria, because I always share the information. I didn't take the information and hoard it for myself. I always say, Hey, did y'all know this? And I became that. Go-to in the community about college and career information.

Dex: 3:55

That's amazing. That's amazing. So, if people are having such a hard time with this process, what is the hardest part that people just don't seem to think about?

Gloria: 4:06

Time, I would say the time to start. I would say, if I could get like Martin Luther king, junior said, I have a dream. I have a dream that one day, they're going to be parents that start earlier and not wait until they're going into their senior year or waiting until after spring break to say, oh, let me start researching this now. So I'm taking the time and doing this early, saving up money early and just learning about the entire. process

Dex: 4:37

Oh, Oh okay. So what's a good time. Like seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade

Gloria: 4:42

Birth, I would say, yeah, so you can start saving up if you know that something that you want your child to consider it so you can start saving money. Definitely I would start in middle school. I started working with students, with the mentoring as early as seventh, eighth grade, just sowing those seeds so that they'll have an idea. It's an overwhelming process, but I tried. Breaking it up into little chunks. And like I said, it's so and seeds and watering them along the way so that when it's tough, they really, they understand. They just that they know that they can go to college, but they also know cause I try to teach them those processes. Starting as early as seventh to eighth grade so that they can start learning about it and knowing what they're getting into.

Dex: 5:21

Okay. Cool. Cool, cool. And what is that first process? You know, what's the first thing that they need to have on their resume besides decent grades.

Gloria: 5:32

Colleges want to see that students are well-rounded yes. They want to see good grades this wonderful. Yes, but they want to see community service. Have you done any community service hours, not waiting till your senior year and say, oh, I volunteered at the homeless shelter for two hours, they want to see like a progression and not just a lot of hours, but seeing that you've gained some experience that you've gained some knowledge that you've gained some skills that's going to be helpful. So they want well-rounded students that can give back to the community. So, definitely your grades, making sure community service hours are and extracurricular activities are listed on your resume.

Dex: 6:12

Now should these community service hours, should they be oriented towards that person's major or does that not matter? And they will.

Gloria: 6:23

Me personally. I think it's great. If you can find something that your major that would be great for building your resume, but. I said just something that is going to help to give back to that community, showing that you're this well-rounded student, it doesn't necessarily have to be if you're a political science major. It's great. Cause it's got to look really good for your program, but if you want to volunteer at the animal shelter again, but whatever you do, make sure it's meaningful.

Dex: 6:49

Meaningful. Okay. Okay. Now, if you could talk about the support that a student would need in order to reach the level to where they would need you, besides someone like you, what can parents do? What can pastors and other people do? What kind of support do these students need?

Gloria: 7:09

I would say. Students are under a lot of stress. I know we as adults, we're like, oh, what could, they don't have to pay bills? They don't have to do all that. But these kids are under a lot of stress. So I would say a lot of, just emotional support, being there for them, being a listening ear, to them, allowing them to rant and rave and just go on and say, you get it all out. Just being that extra ear and be, and helping them to know that they've got somebody in their corner, giving them enough room to learn it and do it on their own. But knowing that they have. To, to support them along the way.

Dex: 7:45

Cool. Cool. One of the things I researched when I was looking up information about you was that you were in a sorority Sigma gamma Rho,

Gloria: 7:57

Yes. Yes. That sounds very familiar. Sigma gamma Rho sorority incorporated. Yes.

Dex: 8:04

only do they seem to, to. Gift the world such amazing minds. Did you know that 2016, miss USA was also a Sigma gamma Rho

Gloria: 8:15

Absolutely. Yes, she was. Yes. She was.

Dex: 8:18

bland. Sandra bland also was.

Gloria: 8:20

Yeah, she was in, can't remember her name, but she was one of the Olympic, winners. I can't remember. I'll have to look her up, but I know it is some other, some other prominent, Sigma gamma rhos that many people may know one of my favorite one. I'm a gospel music fan Miranda. Curtis was just named a Sigma gamma Rho. So I'm thinking, oh, I'd love to hear her voice and Kelly. So I love to sing. And so I was like, okay, my sorrows are sinkers, but yeah. So, Sigma gamma Rho, it is a, one of the divine, nine black Greek letter organizations and it's about service. So, Sigma gamma, Rho, and all the other wonderful organizations. It's all about service to the community. So I tell kids all the time, so you don't have to be a Sigma gamma Rho, even though I would love for you to be, but choose whatever fits you so, and the purpose of the, again, that's about involved community involvement and being involved on your campus. It's an opportunity for networking I have seen. So I'm an employer. So I've seen people that apply for jobs in my organization. And if I see they're a part of the divine nine or any type of, sorority or something, it's about the network and you want to be able to there's people, that's going to always be there to help you along the way.

Dex: 9:38

You know, it's funny. My both my dad and my brother, are both Phi Beta Kappas. I never loved that much structure and I don't remember them having any sort of Greek organizations at my school, but I see the inherent value in it. I see the community, I see the brotherhood. And for any listeners that are out there, even these traditionally or historically black fraternities and sororities, they accept people of all colors, what I'm finding out. I'm finding more and more non-black you know, betas that are out there and you know, they're out there, they're doing their thing. They're part of the community. They're part of that brotherhood because of all the value that they seem to get from that. Can you talk about your experience with that and when you first decided to pledge and what made you decide to pledge?

Gloria: 10:27

Well in my community, I had a, there was a group of, individuals who were really big on college. I mean, I was really big in my church youth group and they used to take us on all of these trips, but they were all in greek They were all black Greeks. So there were alphas, they were, the Ques Omega Psi Phi Saw a lot of deltas and saw a lot of AKA, but I did not see any Sigma gamma Rhos in my area. I didn't even know what Sigma gamma Rho was, but just being exposed to members of my family and people in the community. And then back back then I'm telling my age back then we had a different. World And we will walk with Dwayne Wayne and Whitley and all of them. And so it Hillman college. And so we used to watch that into the Cosby show and see out with Denise and all them they're letters and things, and it's like, oh, I want to do that. And it kind of like put this in, in our forefront, like, okay, this was something I want to look into. So when I got to Jacksonville state university, I had in the back of my mind, a sorority that I was definitely going to pledge but then I started looking around and it's like, okay, I think that's great. I like what they stand for. But then I had to go with what really fit me and my personality and the values that I was standing, but I stood for stand for. And I kept seeing this group. Ladies who were, I mean, it was just about that sisterhood. Now. I'm a very independent person. I don't have to have a whole lot of people around me, but it was something attractive about that. And seeing them working in the community, seeing them, tutoring, students that out, it made me take a, maybe want to take a peek in and say, okay, what's this about? And so then I went to rush and next thing you know, it was all history. I chose Sigma gamma, Rho, Sigma gamma Rho, and I'm an active member of the graduate chapter here in north Atlanta. And one of the best decisions I've made and it's helped me not just on campus with. Um, sisterhood, but just the sister. I can go anywhere in the world right now. And if I see anybody with those letters and I can throw at my side or say, Hey, Soro it's in bro. I never, never met them. And I absolutely love that. I know my kids. They're like, oh, I bet you she's going to speak to I'm actually am because you're not always this someone that's going to always be in your corner that in that particular sorority, but not just that sorority, that you're in that divine nine that. unity Is something that's very attractive.

Dex: 12:58

Yeah. I mean, it's. You know, as a, as an incoming freshmen, that's that is something that I would suggest to a lot of them. Cause you'll, you will never feel like you're alone. You will always feel like you're supported. You're always going to feel like somebody can help you with your homework or keep you motivated or make sure you're not feeling down. You probably get invited to Thanksgiving. You might get invited back home for somebody, but you'll never feel alone in those situations.

Gloria: 13:26

That's right, but let me say this. It doesn't have to be a fraternity or sorority. I encourage young people when you get to your campus. Get involved. It doesn't have to, you don't have to pledge to do that. Find a club that you can be a part of. Cause you can still find that brotherhood and that sisterhood and that comradery to be able to help have that support. It doesn't have to be a Greek. I mean, even though we we'd love to have you, but I don't want to paint that picture. That that's the only way.

Dex: 13:54

Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course, of course. So you had already answered, you know, the best way for prospective scholars to prepare for when they come for you, but should they keep things like notebooks and timelines to make this whole process easier for themselves? Say like starting in seventh grade, keep those lines of communication going. Maybe keep a list, Google folders for colleges, keep all that stuff.

Gloria: 14:20

I wouldn't suggest like a Google folder, as you said. So I'll know when students are working with me, we use Google drive all the time. So when I'm sending, documents like, for like for instance, we talked about extracurricular activities and community service. I have a, a log that I share with them say, Hey, every time you do community service, fill in So keeping notes, keeping records of every activity that you are involved in from ninth grade, 10th grade, 11th grade 12th grade. Because when you start preparing that resume and start preparing your application or apply application for the college or application for a scholarship, they're going to want to know what was your, what was your, your. What did you do each year leading up to that? And so it just helps to put that together and to help them to be able to, not have to sit and ponder. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah. I do remember I did do that. I think that was in ninth grade, but I try to encourage them to either keep a notebook or use my Google drive to keep up with what you're doing.

Dex: 15:21

Yeah,

Gloria: 15:22

it's just, it's helpful.

Dex: 15:23

it is, it's very helpful. My 15 year old son he's he's in boy Scouts and I try and keep tell them to keep track of everything that he's done. You know, he has the merit badges and he's got his little blue book that he has all of that stuff, but he's, I wish he would keep better track of these things. I'm not completely sure if he wants to go to college. I think he just wants to be a YouTuber. So a shout out to you Drew love you, but I really hope he decides to go to college. Speaking as a father the one thing I learned from college was about myself. I took a lot of classes and, a lot of that stuff I kind of knew, or I learned it outside of school, but the one thing I did learn was about myself. And if I had to do it all over again, I'd probably go to a historically black college. It just seems like there's a lot of comradery there. I can just kinda miss that. I felt pretty alone for the most part, even though I'm the type of person that makes a lot of friends, but I think he's, cause I, I, I put a little bit of bacon behind my ears and everybody likes bacon, so,

Gloria: 16:26

Well, let me say this. I would be remiss not to bring this up. So if your son wants to be a YouTuber, what's, what's wrong with that. So I know people,

Dex: 16:37

wrong with

Gloria: 16:38

people look at me when I say so, so don't shoot the messenger, but college is not for everyone.

Dex: 16:44

Yeah, I realize that, but it's the one situation. It's the first situation outside of your parents' home with structure before you start to get into the working world. It's, it's the one time to where you can test your mettle. Besides the military, you know, you go into a situation, you have to figure it out. It's not calling mom and dad to figure it out. Not calling anybody else to figure it out? It's a lot of, okay. If I want this, I have to have it. And then you're also in a situation to where you're around other people that are highly motivated to, to take themselves to the next level. And it's like, it's just a great environment altogether, you know, it's way different than high school where high school feels like everything's dragging you down. College always felt like everything was bringing me up.

Gloria: 17:33

Well, I will tell you is something, that I have noticed with my own kids and just doing this work in general in that situation. Start taking them on college tours. Now allow him, get the experience of walking on that college campus. It's something about getting their feet on that actual campus, doing a tour that make them think, oh, this is possible for me. And it can help change that.

Dex: 17:57

Well, that is, yeah, that's probably the best advice I've heard in awhile. Yeah.

Gloria: 18:03

And is not too early. It is not too. This is the right time because. When you're going on vacation to, if I'm sure that there's a campus or two, that you'll pass jog through,

Dex: 18:15

yeah.

Gloria: 18:16

take advantage of that time, because it's going to go by really fast. And so you want to be able to expose him and your, your other son to be able to, so they can start seeing that early now, not waiting till their senior year to say, oh, let's go check it out. Some schools start it now start just kind of immersing them in that environment.

Dex: 18:35

see. Before my plan was just to wear a bunch of Georgia tech gear in their entire lives. So that's all they see, but your idea sounds better. Sounds a lot better.

Gloria: 18:44

I have seen it. I've seen some kids. I've had some kids that have been in trouble if you will. And I'm like, if I could just get them and not saying, I'm not saying your child is in trouble, but this is just kind of proven what I'm saying,

Dex: 18:57

yeah.

Gloria: 18:59

but when it's like, I'm just going to get them to go from this, come ride with me and just get in on that campus. Oh, I can do this too. And now some of those students are in college, full ride scholarships because they didn't see that it was something that they did not see and had they not gone and had that experience walking on that soil, put that, the possibility made it even make it, made it feel more realistic.

Dex: 19:25

Yeah. It actualizes the experience. Yeah, that actually leads me to my next question. So thank you for the perfect segue. Tell me about some of your successes.

Gloria: 19:36

Right. Some of my success stories. Let's see. We're class at 20 to 2022. Right now. I have, one young lady that I've been working with since I think she was in seventh grade and she was like, Ms. Glow. I can't wait till I get in high school so I could start, with Harvesting Scholars and she has done , every I'm not tell you everything that I could think of to make sure that she's prepared. I mean, learning, what's the difference between this school, that school PWI HBC, you aren't learning the term. This young lady, I was very proud of her. She, was actually accepted into her dream school was university of Georgia. She also got into Mercer. She got into Clemson, she got into, Emory. She got into. It was some other big, heavy hitter schools that she got into and she got a full ride scholarship. She has debt free debt free, absolutely no cost to her. So the fact that she had the opportunity to have choices, because that's what I want to do. I want to position them to win. Making sure your curriculum, your extracurricular activities are on point, making sure you've got your community service, make sure your grades, oh, let me say this. She's graduating with a 4.0 GPA. And so when I tell you average, she wanted it. She wanted it. And I told her, and I tell all my students I can't want it more than you. Your parents can't want it more than you. If you want it, I'm going to help you get it. And I was very excited. That was my main success. For this year?

Dex: 21:15

oh, that's Hey, that's just this year, the year is early. So, you know, if anybody else wants to get on this, they can do that. But Clemson's a good school. Georgia is a good school. Mercer is a great school. And you said Emory? Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Emory. Emory is a great school. So I mean,

Gloria: 21:31

And the several, several, several others.

Dex: 21:34

I wonder if Vanderbilt's on that.

Gloria: 21:38

No, I don't think she applied to Vanderbilt.

Dex: 21:40

She probably would've got in, though.

Gloria: 21:42

She I'm sure. I know that I know that she would have, then there are other students that I know that have applied to Vanderbilt and, they chose the other things, but the fact that they had choices because they were doing what they needed to do, they didn't wait till the last minute. And they were able to be successful. Well, their level of success, they were able to achieve their goal.

Dex: 22:03

I mean, cause yeah, it really is all subjective as far as you know, what your level of success is. So that's a, that's a good one. Yeah, so definitely shout out to that young lady, I hope she, where did she end up deciding to go.

Gloria: 22:19

She is actually going to go to Berry college, which is another yes. Right, right. In Rome, Georgia. Right. in Rome Georgia. And I mean, it's, so one of the other things that I do when I'm working with my students is I show them how to do a college cost comparison Which one is going to be the best bang for your buck. I teach them to stay true to you. Stay true to your family's financial situation, and let's find the ones that's going to pay you the most, that you don't have to come out of money too much out of pocket for.

Dex: 22:52

but what about the ones that don't know what their major is? You know, cause yeah, I can go to Georgia tech if I want it to be an engineer. But if I want to say, go forward a school for communications, maybe a Syracuse is a better school or you know, or film school. I, what I go to USC or something like that. So NYU. What happens to the kids that just don't know what they want to do? Do you just send them to a college any college and then it's fine, or whatever their best situation is.

Gloria: 23:22

What was very common that, they may go in thinking they want to do one thing, but their major's going to change a couple of times before they settle on it. So, as I say, go try out a couple of classes, but. What's going to save you money is if you are able to get connected to, or start job shadowing, a shadowing, someone that's working in the field that you think you may want to work in. Another, success story. I have to use this young lady. She's my daughter. And the reason I say success started can because a lot of times, well, we know this, that, kids will hear it and receive information from other people before they will their own parent. Right. And so, so my, my daughter, she knew, or she thought she knew she wanted to be an attorney. So I said, okay, we're going to connect you and let you go start shadowing. So we, got some job, we have mentors in the community that will allow our students to go to work with them, or just to kind of sit in on a meeting. And that has saved me a boatload of money because. She's like, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is what I want to do, so we don't have to go through all the, oh, I'm going to change my major today. Oh, I'm not going to do this now. We didn't have to go through it because she knew and had a great idea before going into it,

Dex: 24:40

Okay.

Gloria: 24:40

her college.

Dex: 24:41

What w where does she go to school?

Gloria: 24:43

She actually goes to Jacksonville state university.

Dex: 24:47

Oh, like mom, like daughter,

Gloria: 24:49

Yes. Yes, yes. Yes. So that was a fairly experienced as well. So when I'm taking all these different kids on college tours and she happened to go on. With me on that. Cause she's on now. She's bound for Columbia That's where, that's our goal. I remember we went to Jack state, which has well with me with some of that. So it just brought along with me and she's one of those, she's like, mom, what are you doing to me? I'm not doing anything. I'm just putting different choices and different. I'll let you know that there are like several colleges around here, that you can go to. So yes, Columbia is the goal, but. Jack state go Gamecocks. And that's where, and she's like, okay. So she says it was a great fit. It was a great fit for her.

Dex: 25:32

Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Is she going to major in sociology or what

Gloria: 25:37

She is majoring in political science

Dex: 25:40

Oh, cool.

Gloria: 25:41

and, she ultimately wants to become a criminal defense.

Dex: 25:46

Oh,

Gloria: 25:46

And a Supreme court justice. That term, let her go. I call, I call her by what she expects and that's justice.

Dex: 25:57

So, what happens is she decides to pledge Delta instead of Sigma gamma Rho.

Gloria: 26:01

Well, I told her, you know, she can pledge whatever she wants to pledge but I just know where my dollars will go.

Dex: 26:09

Oh.

Gloria: 26:12

I support you. I support you. I actually don't spend it. Funny story. My, my line sands, my best friend, her daughter just pledged, Delta at Auburn university, literally this spring. And we both were like, oh my gosh, she's got to pledge Delta, not Sigma gamma Rho. So we felt some kind of a way. Just seeing her and just go with this, being that support for her going through that, it was, I mean, it was just what you do. You still, you can imagine it's an excellent school, excellent school, but yeah, so that, that actually happened. So I, I don't think my daughter was even thinking about, Greek life at all,

Dex: 26:47

Okay,

Gloria: 26:48

which is fine too.

Dex: 26:49

if she does go Rho you know, go Rho

Gloria: 26:52

Yeah.

Dex: 26:55

So how did you get started with your organization? How did you decide to make it into a nonprofit rather than go in the profitable route? And what was your, what was your, your catalyst for, for starting things up?

Gloria: 27:12

So I got started in my nonprofit, because I recognized that there was a need in my community, and where I saw a gap, I wanted it to fill it. And I'd already shared where. I've taken my son and my daughter, not my daughter, my niece, who's like a daughter. I was trying to gather resources for them to help them navigate this process. And we went to a college fair in Atlanta and I thought, Hey, there's nothing like this going on up here in Northwest Georgia. So let's figure out how to do it. I figured out how to do it. Hosted the college. Then I started taking some kids on tours and then I had all this information and In my day to day work, my full-time nine to five job. I do a lot of professional development with adults and I would see a lot of kids that were graduating. And now they're sitting in my professional development classes, no clue about what they're going to do. So then I started researching some more and I thought, okay. What if I created some type of organization that can help students to understand. The process of getting into college, because I figured out that cause what I do and day to day, I, help students or help adults become teachers. And I figured this the same process to become a teacher, to become an attorney or to become an artist or whatever. It's the same process of going to college. And I began to expand that. So that was the catalyst again was the, there was a gap wanted to fill it. I started just brainstorming. I said, I have a book that I called my vision book and I just started just writing out, just getting out of my head. I started putting in, putting down my 30, 60, 90 day goals. And before I knew it, the 90 day goals were achieved in 10 days. And it was like, whoa, this thing, it was moving fast like, okay, where is all this coming from? I built a website. And in that website, it had all of these resources that were coming right out of my head out of my heart. Like, this is what I need for my children and for all of my children, all those that I claim to be my children. And before I knew it, I had come up with harvesting scholars, educational consulting. I chose to do so. I actually have two components of it. So I have. I have the educational consulting piece of it. That is an LLC. But then I have the nonprofit arm where I receive grants and funding to be able to do the college tours, to be able to do the different workshops that I do in the work, in the different communities and to be able to help those students. That May not be able to, afford any type of paid assistance, but I do more, my heart is to give, so I do more of the giving than, than anything else. So I do have the non-profit arm to, Harvesting Scholars where I do both, but more so on the nonprofit piece. I hope that answered your question.

Dex: 30:13

It more than answered my

Gloria: 30:15

Okay.

Dex: 30:16

In fact, it led me to another question grants. You write grants, do you do it for your organization or just for the kids? Combination.

Gloria: 30:27

I do it mainly just for my organization, because again, I one of the reasons I want it to, to make this legal and bring it, bring it to life legally is because I want it to be able to provide as many resources and supports to the kids in our Northwest Georgia community As possible. And I want it to make sure that people knew this is a real organization and I'm able to go and get those funds to be able to help these kids. So, yes, I do write grants.

Dex: 30:56

Okay. Oh yeah. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. What's the most unusual scholarship that they can apply to. Uh, Okay. Okay. Well, my, my middle son is both left-handed and he has blue eyes, but I'm hoping he gets a baseball scholarship. He's a hell of a baseball player. So shout out to juice box, Jack, you are a hell of a player. I love you. And congratulations on your championship because you are a champion. So. But I digress the some left-handed blue eyes, duct tape dress. Yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. What, so you mentioned that there's some, some of them are scams. Oh, okay. So yeah, that's. Oh, okay. Oh, that's great advice. That is really, really great advice. Well, Tell us what, uh, what's on the horizon for harvest scholars. What's the next part of your 30 day? 60 day 90 day. Five-year plan. Oh, Yeah, that is awesome. That is awesome. I can't thank you enough for being on the show today. You got so much, we have so much valuable information from you and, but where can people get ahold of you at what are your social media is website? Give us that information. And that's where the kids are at. So yeah. Awesome. Awesome. I am going to leave all that information into the show notes, again to our guests. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I am your host decks and for all those that are constantly looking for inspiration and information on how to start up their own thing. Keep listening. We're going to have more information for you. Make suggestions on people that you want to hear from, let us know about particular fields. You're interested in follow us up on all of our, all of our social medias. I will leave with all that information in the show notes. Thanks again, guys. You guys have a great day. Okay.